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Question about large tables

Matthew Hawton
 

Hello folks. 


Question for the hive mind. I’m still using Freeway Pro on an old iMac to update my shops website. I sell vinyl records and use the table feature to show my stock. These are populated by a .CSV file that I export from the Discogs website. You can see an example of this here http://www.marrsplectrum.co.uk/For%20Sale/index.html

Will I still be able to do this with the new iteration of the software? My old iMac is excruciatingly slow to just boot up, but it’s glacial when handling the large tables that I use! Does anyone have any experience with this kind of data?

Many thanks. 


Cheers Matt. 


Re: Import Exhibeo Slide Show tittles garbled

Guido
 

I just copied all the values from the "new" into the "old" and everything worked! Plus it didn't alter any of the other items on the page. All is good.

On May 17, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Guido via groups.io <jtrionfante2@...> wrote:


I'm using xway beta 4 and exhibeo 2.0.6 on Catalina.  Pasting it in a new Xway document comes out perfect. I will have to do some experimenting on my "old" Xway file.
Thanks for responding so quickly. 

On May 17, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:

Hi Guido,

It looks like some kind of font problem.

Which version of Xway (and macOS) are you using?

What happens if you import the gallery into a new Xway document? Does it look the same if you preview in a browser?

Jeremy


Re: Import Exhibeo Slide Show tittles garbled

Guido
 

I'm using xway beta 4 and exhibeo 2.0.6 on Catalina.  Pasting it in a new Xway document comes out perfect. I will have to do some experimenting on my "old" Xway file.
Thanks for responding so quickly. 

On May 17, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:

Hi Guido,

It looks like some kind of font problem.

Which version of Xway (and macOS) are you using?

What happens if you import the gallery into a new Xway document? Does it look the same if you preview in a browser?

Jeremy


Re: Import Exhibeo Slide Show tittles garbled

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Guido,

It looks like some kind of font problem.

Which version of Xway (and macOS) are you using?

What happens if you import the gallery into a new Xway document? Does it look the same if you preview in a browser?

Jeremy


Import Exhibeo Slide Show tittles garbled

Guido
 

Hello,
When I import an Exhibeo slide show into Xway, I get garbled titles and descriptions (see att.) I am exporting as an Xway component. I'm sure its just a setting somewhere in Xway that I am missing. Anyway, I got the Exhibeo slide show exactly as I want and would like some advice as to how to make sure it looks the same in Xway.

Thanks in advance.


Re: creating a basic column layout

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Heather,

I realise there's still a lot Xway doesn't do, but it's very capable so far. Well done! Where Freeway's USP was hiding the underlying code, Xway has to reveal the inner workings. I am in two minds over this, but I suspect it can only be a Good Thing in the long run. Incidentally, being able to see the code within the program is nice. Are there plans to allow the user to edit the code directly, feeding back to the WYSIWYG style layout?
Xway's document model is closer to HTML/CSS than Freeway's, but features such as Extended Attributes and Extended Properties were also in Freeway (slightly hidden within a modal dialog). We added them to Xway at an early stage so that people can use them for features that aren't yet supported directly (e.g. floats and flexbox). The HTML view is there for people who are curious or who find it useful, but it's not an essential feature. It's possible we might allow some form of code editing in future, but that's likely to be some way off.


Re: creating a basic column layout

grantsymon
 

I found a reference to the CSS flexbox and had look. It would do what I want, I think, but I'm afraid I couldn't actually see how to apply it to Xway. One day, perhaps.
If I can do it, you can do it Heather. 😊

It's actually very simple once you get your head around it.  Read the thread I started, that Jeremy pointed to where he holds my hand and walks me through it and also just plod through the flexbox guide.  It's actually very simple in the end and works in a similar way to FW.


Re: creating a basic column layout

@HeatherKay
 

Hi Jeremy!

I've been lurking for a while, but only decided to give the latest beta a run this week. I don't get to spend a lot of time at the computer desk, being much more hands on at the workbench now.

I have been considering the layout of the site, and take on board what you say. I like the columns as a way to get a fair amount of info visible in one page, but accept it doesn't work well on phones. I shall have to have a think about how to present the info better in a single column format.

I realise there's still a lot Xway doesn't do, but it's very capable so far. Well done! Where Freeway's USP was hiding the underlying code, Xway has to reveal the inner workings. I am in two minds over this, but I suspect it can only be a Good Thing in the long run. Incidentally, being able to see the code within the program is nice. Are there plans to allow the user to edit the code directly, feeding back to the WYSIWYG style layout?

I'm still getting my head around the umpteen different ways to interact with objects, so I'll have a go at the extended properties thing in a minute. Ta.

I found a reference to the CSS flexbox and had look. It would do what I want, I think, but I'm afraid I couldn't actually see how to apply it to Xway. One day, perhaps.

Cheers

Heather


Re: creating a basic column layout

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Heather,

Good to hear from you again!

1. Xway doesn't currently have built-in support for floated items, although it's possible to use extended properties: 1. Select the item you want to float, 2. Add an extended property in the Extended Properties section of the Box Inspector: name="float" and value="left" or "right" (without quotes).

2. A much better way of creating a column layout is to use CSS flexbox. We plan to support this directly in future, but it's possible to use extended properties once again. We used flexbox on our Xway page. See this thread for more details: https://softpress.groups.io/g/xway-talk/topic/75298839

3. Consider whether you really want to have a multi-column layout. This works well on desktop browsers, but it doesn't work so well with mobile browsers where there's limited horizontal space.

Jeremy


creating a basic column layout

@HeatherKay
 

Hello everyone! It's been a very long time since I raised my head above the parapet, and haven't things changed!

I've had a complete change of career, no longer dealing with design much at all. Nearly a decade ago, amid the financial crash and all that stuff, freelance work ran out. Thrashing around for anything I could do to earn a bit of cash, a hobby got turned into a business. I now build scale model railway stuff for commissioned work. While I'll never be rich, I have some great clients, and have worked on some interesting projects. 

Now, obviously, I created my web site using Freeway. I still manage to maintain it with small updates, and it does me well enough. I am aware that the web world has moved on, quite a long way, and I'm being left in the weeds. Freeway is going to go away eventually, and so I've started to try and come to terms with Xway, purely as an amateur and hobbyist web designer. On the whole, I like it, but...

It ain't Freeway. I'm having to learn new things that my old brain can't quite grasp, and it's frustrating and annoying and ... I wish I was ten years younger!

Anyway, I am trying to recreate my current Freeway web site in Xway. I realise it can't be recreated exactly, and I am happy to redesign accordingly, but I like the way my current site looks and I want to try to match it if I can. You can have a look at the site here: http://www.heatherkay.co.uk

It's a fairly simple multi-column layout, made with inflow boxes. In the old skool Freeway method draw an HTML box, click to get the text insertion bar, and insert two more HTML boxes in the text flow. They can then be made to float left and right, with margins to keep them spaced nicely. How do I do that in Xway? It should be simple, right?

I've tried, but I simply can't get the right hand box to float alongside the left hand box. It insists on floating to the right, but below the left box - the next "line" down, if you like. I've tried everything I can think of that doesn't involve getting the spanners out and hand-coding to get the darned right hand box to float alongside its friend. Nothing works. Any ideas?

(I even actively considered hand-coding the page at one point. I know. I don't DO code! That's why I was a Freeway user. But it's a measure of how frustrated I was getting!)

Anyway, if there is a way to do what I want, please let me know in plain language. If it's not currently possible with Xway in an idiot-proof way, then I will have to accept the site redesign will need reconsidering more fully.

Cheers

Heather


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Harold,

You should be able to import content from any website in this way. I added an appendix to the Xway User Guide which has some more information.

In future, we're planning to add a way to import content from Freeway documents, and we're also interested in adding a way to import HTML content later on (it's on our radar).

But there are some other things that we need to do first.

Jeremy


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Harold Appel
 

Jeremy, I became a refugee from Freeway when it seemed it was gone forever and subsequently re-created my sites using Rapidweaver. Besides that application being a drain on my bank account, I find it awkward and difficult to use and now a new version of Foundation requires learning it all over again. After using the Xway tutorial I find it so much more pleasant to use and look forward to transitioning back. I understand your suggestion about recreating the site in X-way using what's in a browser window of the old site would be the same for any site, no matter how it was created, right? I might go ahead and try that. I wonder, though,if there are there any plans for importing a site's files directly, say, by downloading them from the server (I think some use an application called sitesucker for this) and then importing into X-way? Thanks for all the work and care that is going into this application.
--
Harold Appel
New York City
MacOS 10.15.7 (19H1030)
iMac (27-inch, Late 2012)


Xway b4

Jeremy Hughes
 

We have just released Xway b4, the latest version of our next-generation program for visual web design.

You can download it from our web site: https://www.softpress.com/xway/

Xway includes a detailed reference manual, which you can access by choosing “Xway User Guide” from the Help menu. This also includes an appendix with a list of new features and cross-references to documentation in the user guide — this is a good place to start if you're upgrading from a previous beta version. If you're new to Xway, a good place to start is the introduction to the user guide, and the Xway tutorial (see below).

There is also a step-by-step tutorial and two sample documents (created from the tutorial). These are available from our website: click on “Xway Resources” in the Help menu. We revised the tutorial and sample documents for b4.

New features

  • Dynamic styles (for rollover effects)
  • Links can be applied to container boxes
  • Links that are applied to boxes are copied/moved with their boxes
  • You can insert a line break by typing Control-Return or by choosing Line Break from the Insert menu
  • You can insert a non-breaking space by typing Option-Space or by choosing Non-Breaking Space from the Insert menu
  • Subscripts and superscripts
  • Previews are drawn for component boxes
  • It is easier to locate missing resources
  • Iframe boxes that contain YouTube and Vimeo videos can be adjusted to fit their content
  • Display size can be set for markup and component boxes
  • Keyboard shortcuts for switching between the Page view, Web view, and HTML view
  • The Link Inspector displays a Content section for resource links
  • The Box Inspector displays a Content section for markup files
  • The Text menu has been replaced by a Format menu (containing the same items)
  • The Page and Item menus have been removed, and items that were previously in the Page menu have been redistributed
  • Pages in the Site panel default to being closed when a document is opened, except for the current page
  • Home/End (fn← / fn→) scroll to the top/bottom of the page
  • Xway runs natively on Intel or Apple Silicon

Bug fixes and improvements, including:

  • Fixed a problem that caused images to be missing in the Web view if a page is in a subfolder
  • Fixed undo problems affecting markup text views
  • Fixed a problem that caused some outputID values to be wrongly substituted in component CSS files
  • General improvements to YouTube video previews
  • YouTube video previews display an error message if the video cannot be embedded
  • The toolbar appearance has been improved for Big Sur


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Regarding sharing the document, should I send everything, videos, JPEGs etc? I can use WeTransfer again.
Yes - that would be great!


Re: The publishing process

Geoff Mullett
 

having said 'short', I've realised a couple are around 350mb, though most are well below 100mb. I use FileZilla and Fetch to upload, however, the upload takes little time, it's Xway's 'publish' that holds things up. It's often accompanied by the 'application not responding' message.
Some of the larger videos are on Youtube and maybe that's the answer in the short term. 11 minutes to publish a line of text seems excessive, but if that's being looked at for the future, then I'm happy to wait.
Regarding sharing the document, should I send everything, videos, JPEGs etc? I can use WeTransfer again.
Geoff


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Following up again: how "short" are the short videos, and what is a typical file size?

Also: if you don't mind sharing your document with us, I'd be interested in taking a look. The document that you sent recently was quite helpful in stress-testing Xway :)

Jeremy


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Publishing just the changes is on our list of things to do.

What FTP program are you using? I haven't had any problems using Cyberduck to upload from my Site folder.

If I had a site with many videos, I would consider two options:

1. Inserting them as YouTube videos if you don't mind putting them on YouTube
2. Uploading them separately to a "videos" folder in your online Site folder

If you take the second option, you can link to the online videos from within Xway (treating them as external resources). The Resources view allows you to replace local resources (including videos) with external resources, by entering a URL (e.g. https://yourdomain.com/videos/somevideo.mp4). 

Jeremy


The publishing process

Geoff Mullett
 

I have a site that is quite heavy with short videos and photos. The process involved to get the updated pages from Xway to my website involves:
  • Publishing
  • Showing the site folder (within Xway)
  • Moving changed contents to a folder I call 'site for upload' as my FTP programme can't see the Xway folder
  • Selecting the updated pages and associated media in the FTP and uploading
The publishing process alone takes typically 11 minutes, so the whole business is slow and long-winded. I appreciate that eventually it will be possible to upload from within Xway, but in the meantime, is there a way of speeding up the process? If Xway just 'published' the changes rather than the whole site it would help.
Thanks
Geoff


Re: Overlapping of Items

Jeremy Hughes
 

There are two ways to control the front-to-back order of items (in Xway and HTML/CSS):

  1. Items that are earlier in the flow order are normally further back than items that are later in the flow order. If you have two inflow boxes, the first box will be behind the second box if they overlap and don't have a z-index. You can drag inflow boxes to reorder them on the page.
  2. You can set a z-index value (search for z-index in the User Guide).

Back-to-front order is mostly relevant to absolute-positioned items ("layers" in Freeway). However, you should be careful about using absolute-positioned items. It is tempting to use them when converting a (Freeway) table-layout design to an (Xway/Freeway) CSS design, but they are not a good replacement. Table layouts have been deprecated for many years, but they have the advantage of being vertically flexible. If someone views a table layout with a larger font size, boxes (table cells) will have their size and position adjusted so that they don't overrun each other. That doesn't happen with absolute-positioned boxes: absolute boxes are positioned independently of other (non-ancestor) items and it is very easy to end up with a design that only works if other people are using the same font and screen size. This is why Xway defaults to relative-positioned boxes, which are more suitable for flexible layout.

There are places where absolute boxes may be used appropriately (and sparingly), but it's a good idea to test them with different screen/font sizes. They're not used in the Xway tutorial.

Jeremy


Overlapping of Items

Ralph Bergman
 

Is there the equivalent of “bring to front” or “Send to Back” or “Bring Forward” or “Send Backwards” of items placed on the page?

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