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Re: Video tutorials please

ThatKeith
 

The reference manual for looking up specifics should be the number 1 priority. (Not suggestion it isn't, just noting what's the most critically important.)

When it comes to video tutorials almost every single one takes FAR too long to get to the point. Even if they don't, it's usually a few minutes of something that I could have learned from 20 seconds of reading. Not always but usually.

I use a 360 tour building tool that has no reference manual or even near equivalent. Instead the company has put a lot of time and effort into creating loads of video 'tutorials'. These are, frankly, only one step shy of utterly useless. If they were teamed up with a regular reference manual they'd be fine, but on their own? I know for documented fact that this has and is causing them lost sales. If just one method is used for helping users use software it should NEVER be videos only.


Re: Video tutorials please

Peter A-B
 

Videos don’t have to be expensive or time consuming to produce. Look at some of the YouTube videos online. 



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I agree 100%, simple tutorial videos please if at all possible! Videos for dummies like me.
Understood completely that resources are limited but, as someone here commented, videos do not need to be polished, or even in depth. Getting us started with the basics would in my view get a lot of people over that initial hurdle. The whole point of Freeway is that it is relatively easy and intuitive (I have still struggled a great deal!) so this is presumably what most of us here are looking for.


Re: Video tutorials please

Torbjorn Hultmark
 

I agree 100%, simple tutorial videos please if at all possible! Videos for dummies like me.
Understood completely that resources are limited but, as someone here commented, videos do not need to be polished, or even in depth. Getting us started with the basics would in my view get a lot of people over that initial hurdle. The whole point of Freeway is that it is relatively easy and intuitive (I have still struggled a great deal!) so this is presumably what most of us here are looking for.


Re: Video tutorials please

grantsymon
 

I hate tutorials full-stop!

Video are really annoying, because they're so slow to get to the point.  Written are annoying, because they're often arcane and poorly written.  Of course, we've learned to zap through video and to skim-read written, although often in the end... it would have been faster just to work through the process whilst only quietly muttering complaints to ourselves, under our breath.

My personal view of the XWay tutorial, is that following it step-by-step, is actually a very efficient way to learn the basics.  The only video tutorials I've ever just sat through without complaining (to myself) are from Affinity Photo.  They've put a lot of effort into them though and it shows.

I like the Mac's iWork UI, which XWay employs, especially that the depth can be hidden until needed.  Sort of the diametric opposite of the Microsoft approach, which visually, is sort of like trying to unravel linguini.  My wife has used for Word for 25 years and every time I look at it, I feel like I'm being punished.


Re: Video tutorials please

@Nick48
 

I am a visual designer and have come to the same conclusion as some other Freeway users concerning Xway (and its tutorials). Regrettably after trying to do a preliminary update in Xway for my sites, I have had to move to a more visual platform. The replacement program is not as extensive as the old Freeway, but when commercial pressures are involved you just need to get the job done.


Re: Video tutorials please

Jeremy Hughes
 

I think the long-term goal is that we'd like to have both.

Jeremy


Re: Video tutorials please

ThatKeith
 

Visual learning is a style of learning; it suits some of us very well and others not so much. I prefer text, personally – that's my style.


Re: Video tutorials please

Alan Coomber
 

Can I put the other side please - I hate video tutorials.  They're so difficult to follow.  The written word can be looked at again, and again, until it makes sense.  And I can go back to it in six months when I've  forgotten what it said.  I've been using this lockdown to learn Xway and to learn a lot more about css etc.  Last week I'd never heard of flex-box - this week I'm an expert (well, nearly!) 

Keep up the good work - looking forward to the next update and hoping for tables.

Alan


 

On 14/03/2021 19:31, Robert Mitton wrote:
Craig, I totally agree.

Robert

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Craig Seeman <cseeman@...> wrote:

As another dyslexic I’m going to second this. I’m a visual learner. I truly have tried reading the documents and tutorial but it’s been a frustrating trouble.
My own hunch is that a large portion of the people eattracted to original Freeway were visual learners. 
I understand that at this stage of Xway’s developments things are in flux but video tutorials don’t have to be “polished.” Simple screen casts walking through some functions and a basic web page design would be so helpful.

Craig

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:04 AM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 



Re: Video tutorials please

Robert Mitton
 

Craig, I totally agree.

Robert

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Craig Seeman <cseeman@...> wrote:

As another dyslexic I’m going to second this. I’m a visual learner. I truly have tried reading the documents and tutorial but it’s been a frustrating trouble.
My own hunch is that a large portion of the people eattracted to original Freeway were visual learners. 
I understand that at this stage of Xway’s developments things are in flux but video tutorials don’t have to be “polished.” Simple screen casts walking through some functions and a basic web page design would be so helpful.

Craig

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:04 AM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 



Re: Video tutorials please

Bill H
 

Totally agree. 


On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:43 AM, jay farber via groups.io <jfmusic@...> wrote:

I third that, Dyslexic and visual leaner


On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Craig Seeman <cseeman@...> wrote:

As another dyslexic I’m going to second this. I’m a visual learner. I truly have tried reading the documents and tutorial but it’s been a frustrating trouble.
My own hunch is that a large portion of the people eattracted to original Freeway were visual learners. 
I understand that at this stage of Xway’s developments things are in flux but video tutorials don’t have to be “polished.” Simple screen casts walking through some functions and a basic web page design would be so helpful.

Craig

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:04 AM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 



Re: Video tutorials please

jay farber
 

I third that, Dyslexic and visual leaner


On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Craig Seeman <cseeman@...> wrote:

As another dyslexic I’m going to second this. I’m a visual learner. I truly have tried reading the documents and tutorial but it’s been a frustrating trouble.
My own hunch is that a large portion of the people eattracted to original Freeway were visual learners. 
I understand that at this stage of Xway’s developments things are in flux but video tutorials don’t have to be “polished.” Simple screen casts walking through some functions and a basic web page design would be so helpful.

Craig

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:04 AM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 



Re: Video tutorials please

Craig Seeman
 

As another dyslexic I’m going to second this. I’m a visual learner. I truly have tried reading the documents and tutorial but it’s been a frustrating trouble.
My own hunch is that a large portion of the people eattracted to original Freeway were visual learners. 
I understand that at this stage of Xway’s developments things are in flux but video tutorials don’t have to be “polished.” Simple screen casts walking through some functions and a basic web page design would be so helpful.

Craig

On Mar 14, 2021, at 1:04 AM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 


Re: Video tutorials please

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Dan and Robert,

The Ambient and Amber Light documents were constructed using the steps described in the Xway tutorial (available from our website).

I agree that it would be nice to have video tutorials, but we don't currently have the resources to do that - and Xway is also a moving target (I've updated the PDF tutorial for each new version)

Jeremy


Re: Video tutorials please

Daniel Brown
 

The only way I’ve been able to make sense of Xway is by opening their Ambient Light Xway document and deconstructing it.  Yes, video tutorials would be nice but you can learn quite a bit by studying the Ambient Light doc.  They may have held off making videos, partly for time’s sake, but also because this is not the final version of Xway.

Dan Brown

On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Robert Mitton <web@...> wrote:

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 


Re: e-commerce

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Xway doesn't have Actions (yet), but it has extensive support for various kinds of markup - which should allow you to do this if you add things in by hand.

I don't have any experience with e-commerce or Mal's, though.

Jeremy


e-commerce

Geoff Mullett
 

I've been using Mal's e-commerce in Freeway linked by an e-buy button. I'd guess actions such as these are on a distant horizon at the moment, but is there a workaround that doesn't directly use a PayPal button?

Thanks
Geoff


Video tutorials please

Robert Mitton
 

Trying to wrap my extremely dyslexic mind around Xway. If I can see how to do something rather than trying to figure out something by reading text (which is a bummer way to do things) it would be a great way to learn how to use this Freeway Pro “replacement”. 
 
I have a bad feeling that Xway is not going to be as intuitive, or as visually easy to understand as Freeway was for me. 
 
I know I need a modern replacement for my trusty Freeway Pro 7, but I don’t want to be tearing my quite long hair out by the roots while trying to figure this all out. Will you all please be making some tutorial videos, asap?
 
Thanks a million,

Robert 


Web-store

grantsymon
 

Hi,

I'm looking into making a web-store site and wondering about options.  I've spent quite a while looking into prestashop, which is probably serious overkill for what I want and what I'll need.  I've found how I can adjust the default theme to fit my needs, using an add-on for what will be mostly colour changes and ideally a sticky header and an svg logo, but my sales volume will likely be very low (hoping to sell some prints) and so I'm wondering if anyone can give me some advice, either about something I could do in XWay, or any other input really. 😊  I guess the payment handling built-in to prestashop is reassuring.  Is this standard for all webstores?

Grant


Re: Live-streaming from webcam

Geoff Mullett
 

I had worked through that before, but left in an 80% max height & width in the Min/Max dimensions boxes (which I didn't really need). Having gone through it again without those and leaving the width & height at 100% it works fine.
Another lesson learned!
Thanks
Geoff


Re: Live-streaming from webcam

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Look at the section called "Video aspect ratio" in the Iframes chapter of the User Guide. This describes how you can get an iframe to resize proportionally.

Jeremy

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