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Re: Xway b1 is here!

Stephen
 

Applause indeed!

International partying underway!

Thank you, Jeremy!

Now we’ll get it polished and ready to go...

Stephen 


On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:

Xway b1

 

We have just released Xway b1, our next-generation program for visual web design.

 

You can download it from our web site:

 

https://www.softpress.com/xway/

 

Xway includes a detailed reference manual, which you can access by choosing “Xway User Guide” from the Help menu.

 

There is also a step-by-step tutorial and two sample documents, which are available from our web site (click on “Xway Resources” in the Help menu).

 

We recommend that people read (or skim) through the Xway User Guide introduction, and then work through the tutorial to get a hands-on feel for how Xway works.

 

Jeremy

 


Re: Xway b1

info@...
 

for what i've seen, it's a real improvement, but something i get used to soon.. very good job.. but since i missed my nappingtime by 90 minutes now, i first need go to sleep before i can find out more.


Re: Xway b1

Joe Muscara
 

My favorite part of the Xway page was the last thing on it, not a surprise, but a nice reinforcement of the point.

This page was made with Xway.



On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:

We missed our planned release time by about 90 minutes (we were aiming for 9pm GMT), but I think Joe has done a great job on the web site.

Can’t wait to see what the future is going to be like!

“The future is here” (slogan on our web site).

More seriously - Xway b1 is a starting point. We will be adding new stuff over the coming weeks and months.

And as Richard (Softpress CEO) has said, Xway is created by the same team that worked on Freeway. I started working on it in early 2018, but for the past year I’ve been working in a team with Stewart Fellows and Simon Manning, colleagues from “Softpress Towers”.

Jeremy






Hello To all, I am Freeway Novice of 5 years... having only built 3 sites

Auguste <creativeopen4u@...>
 

Yes that's why I shared the link :-) about “Pinegrow Theme Converter”
This is a complement that allows starting from Xway or Freeway to make templates for Wordpress...

I shared Xway's link on Facebook, Twitter and Linkedin

Thank you for your Beta software :-)

Auguste

Le 5 nov. 2019 à 20:32, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@softpress.com> a écrit :

We don't, as a rule, discourage alternative options.

After Softpress went into (temporary) liquidation, Freeway Talk became a bit of a free-for-all, with people recommending various alternative products. I think that was understandable at the time. People were looking for alternatives.

Things are different now. We are about to release an initial beta version of our own alternative to Freeway. My feeling is that if people want to promote alternatives to Xway, they can set up their own forums to do that.

We’re not planning to be heavy-handed about this - but we don’t want the Xway forum to be hijacked by non-Xway interests.

We decided that the message about “Pinegrow Theme Converter” didn’t fall into this category. It seems to be a complementary product that can be used alongside Xway or Freeway.

Jeremy




Re: Xway b1

Andrew Eberlin
 

Great news. Thank you for all of your hard work. I’ll look forward to playing and experimenting with the new software. The interface looks like a massive improvement and there’s more functionality to come!


Freeway helped me start my web design business 13 years ago which is still going strong. It has a special place in my heart and I’m so pleased that you have managed to relaunch. 

Thanks again. 


Re: Xway b1

felklatscher <zip.felklatscher@...>
 

No, no not good. Very rudimentary


Re: Xway b1

felklatscher <zip.felklatscher@...>
 

Helo,
please excuse my bad english - i'm from india and don't know so well. i have ben waiting so long for so good software for the web design. i use freeway (express) to make 3 websites about indian elephants - nice animal by the way. xway i tested today after download and i never saw so good software at least in not india from where i am. All the best for you. Regards Zip


Xway feedback

Tim Plumb
 

First of all congratulations on getting Xway b1 out of the door.

Jeremy, what feedback exactly are you looking for on this forum?

* Bugs?
* UI issues?
* Workflow?
* Feature specifications?
* Missing features?
etc.
or all of the above?

I've been playing with the app both late last night and this morning and started off trying to replicate the Xway page. This has proved a little trickier than I'd hoped as there are currently no floats and the display:flex appears to have been added as an extended item (unless I've missed it in the UI).

All in all the app shows a solid foundation for future work so well done.

Is the app aimed at the same market as Freeway Pro or Express or somewhere in-between?
Thanks,
Tim.


Re: Xway feedback

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Tim,

You’re welcome to provide any kind of feedback. This is also a support forum: we’re hoping that people who have support issues will come here - so that we don’t get bogged down in answering individual support questions: some questions may already be answered, and people who know the answers can help us out by answering.

Bugs: yes, please report them! My experience in using Xway is that there are very few bugs and it is release-quality in this respect. There are some known issues with Site panel selection (mentioned in the tutorial).

UI issues: if you think that the UI can be improved, you’re welcome to make suggestions and we’ll consider them! But it would be good to take a while to get used to Xway. There are aspects of the UI that are deliberately different from Freeway. One example that people are likely to encounter early on is that Xway doesn’t have a drawing tool. This is deliberate: boxes are inserted and not drawn. Drawing boxes worked well for table-layout (Freeway’s original purpose) - but Xway prioritises inflow (flexible) layout. In later versions of Freeway, it is possible to draw inflow boxes, but the UI is not intuitive. Drawn boxes also became a problem when we introduced breakpoints in Freeway 7.

[Freeway made it easy to use layer boxes and difficult to use inflow boxes. If you want to create a flexible layout, that is the wrong way round. In Xway you can have layer boxes (set Position to Absolute) and you can put them wherever you want (drag them with the mouse) - but the default option is to have inflow boxes that will adapt to different device sizes.]

Features: we know there are missing features. There is an incomplete list in the Introduction to the Xway User Guide. You’re welcome to mention the ones that affect you. We are planning to support floats and flexbox in future. (Floated layouts are a hack, and they often require additional hacks, but floating text round graphics is a useful thing to do.) However, you can get around some of these limitations today if you don’t mind using extended style properties, and you don’t mind the fact that pages will look different in Xway than they do in a browser (as is often the case with Freeway pages). For example, you can float a graphic to the left of text by doing this: 1. Select the graphic, 2. Open the Extended Properties section in the Box Inspector (below Padding), 3. Click on the “+” icon, 4. Type “float” for Name and “left” for Value.

[Floats are tricky because they’re not directly supported by Cocoa Text and because their HTML/CSS behaviour is complex. Freeway often displays them differently to how they appear in browsers. We will get to them, but there are other things we will do first.]

Xway is a replacement for Freeway Pro and Freeway Express. We want it to be useful to professional web designers and casual users alike. We also want people to create modern web sites that will work on different devices. The most recent version of Freeway Express creates table layouts and has no support for CSS layout. There’s a reason for that: Freeway makes table layouts easy, but CSS layouts are more difficult. What we’ve tried to do with Xway is to make CSS layout easy (there isn’t a table-layout option: table layouts are ancient history now).

[Xway doesn’t yet support (real) tables. That’s also on our to-do list.]

Jeremy


Re: Xway feedback

David Owen
 

I'm assuming external CSS is on the todo list?

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David Owen
http://www.davidowendesign.com

On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:22, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@softpress.com> wrote:

Features: we know there are missing features.


Unable to copy and paste structural elements

David Owen
 

I see that you can copy and paste inline text. But I’m unable to copy and paste structural elements (divs). Is that intentional, work in progress, or have I missed something here?

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David Owen
http://www.davidowendesign.com


Re: Xway feedback

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi David,

I'm assuming external CSS is on the todo list?
Yes.

I see that you can copy and paste inline text. But I’m unable to copy and paste structural elements (divs). Is that intentional, work in progress, or have I missed something here?
It’s work in progress.

From the Xway User Guide (page 27): "Xway currently has limited support for copying and pasting, but you can paste text into boxes. Pasted text is imported as plain text."

Jeremy


Re: Unable to copy and paste structural elements

Jeremy Hughes
 

Sorry, I answered this in a different thread, but the answer is:

It’s work in progress.

From the Xway User Guide (page 27): "Xway currently has limited support for copying and pasting, but you can paste text into boxes. Pasted text is imported as plain text."

Jeremy


Re: Xway feedback

max.izzat@...
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:22 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
(there isn’t a table-layout option: table layouts are ancient history now).
Hi Jeremy then I am assuming from this, that you are not expecting Xway to be able to create emailers
All the best Max


Re: Xway feedback

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Max,

then I am assuming from this, that you are not expecting Xway to be able to create emailers
Not if you rely on table layout for emails.

But maybe you could use real tables (when we support them) to do this.

For now, I think people can use Freeway (or Freeway Express - which is free and entirely table-layout).

If there is an ongoing need for table-layout emails - and real tables aren’t a convenient way of doing this - we could add some emailer-specific functionality in a future version of Xway (e.g. export a page in emailer-friendly format).

What do you think? It’s not a priority right now, but we’re happy to plan ahead!

Jeremy


Re: Xway feedback

max.izzat@...
 

Hi, Jeremy oddly enough historically when I have created emails I have used real tables within freeway rather than relying on the table layout and inserting boxes. Then I used one of the email actions to remove the stuff emailers don't want or need. It also meant most of the styles were converted to inline styles. Something like that action approach would probably be enough. Anyway, as you said, it's not a priority. All good food for thought.

all the best Max 

 

 


Embed YuoTube, Vimeo ect. responsive!

Sjef Broere
 

1. Select your video (youtube)
2. Go to "Share" and copy "iframe link" 
3. Go to https://embedresponsively.com
4. Follow instructions
5. In your Xway-document use the markup-tool
6. TaDa


Re: Xway feedback

Carla Grande
 

Hey Jeremy.. this is quite a great start.. thanks to all... Xway (as is) is pretty straightforward.. I have a question...
when starting a new project as in the past, a Media folder would be saved as a group of folders as well as backup docs.
I ask as it was always important to keep the source in its original folder or else (kaboom! resource not found)..  

what will be the process for the Media folders/backups etc for Xway. projects.?

thanks
Carla


Re: Xway feedback

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Carla,

what will be the process for the Media folders/backups etc for Xway. projects.?
That’s a good question, and the answer is that Xway automates this process.

Whenever you import a graphic (or other resource) Xway copies it into a Resources folder that is inside the document package. An Xway document looks like a file, but it is actually a package that contains files and folders (similar to application packages, which also look like files). In addition to the Resources folder, an Xway document also contains a Site folder.

What this means is that you can import a graphic (or other resource) from anywhere you like and it will always be available to the document. If the original graphic/resource is available, Xway will use that, but if it isn’t, it will use the internal copy.

If you delete a graphic from a document, and it is no longer used anywhere within the document (or in the document’s undo stack), the graphic will be deleted from the document’s internal folder - so the document isn’t larger than it needs to be. So it’s a good idea to keep the original graphic in case you need to reimport it, and it’s not a bad idea to organise your original graphics in an external Media folder. But you don’t need to do this.

As for backups, Xway doesn’t make backup files in the same way that Freeway did - but like other modern Mac programs it saves document versions. Whenever you manually save a document, a version of the document is created - and you can revert to that version by choosing Revert from the File menu. Also, as is the case with other modern programs, Xway documents are saved automatically at regular intervals.

Jeremy


Re: Embed YuoTube, Vimeo ect. responsive!

Jeremy Hughes
 

Good tip!

In future, we plan to support YouTube videos (etc.) in a more direct way, but markup boxes are a good way to do that for now.

Jeremy

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