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Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Steve,

I understand that, and I agree that this is a reason for having multiple resource folders. We’d like to improve on how Freeway does this.

We have some other things we need to do first, but this is something that we’ve started thinking about.

Jeremy

On 14 Nov 2019, at 16:49, Steve <steve@sbdesign.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 03:22 PM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
The link isn’t always the same. Freeway doesn’t guarantee that resources for pages that are in a subfolder will always be in subfolder/Resources (when Separate Resource Folders is selected). For example, if the same (output) resource is used by pages in different folders, Freeway will copy it into one of the resource folders and will always access it from there. Which folder is used depends on various factors - mainly which page is published first.
Hi Jeremy,

I take your point that if an image is used in more than one place and if it exactly the same size etc, then Freeway would only link to one instance of that image.

My use is a bit more specific; the site I maintain has a lot of jpegs (1,149 and counting) that are used to illustrate the products available on the website. These are served to the page that the customer selects by mysql and php, each of the images has to be a specific size to fit into the image space on the web page. For that end I created a specific folder (images) with a page for each product range (17pages at the moment) to contain all their images. In this case all the images get placed in the images > Resources folder and can be linked to easily with mysql/php.

I probably stretched the boundaries of what Freeway can do, but with a little bit of planning it's surprising what you can achieve. I hope the same will go for Xway.

My hope is that in time Xway will allow me to rebuild the site in a similar way to how it is now, but with better control over the responsive nature of the site, and more control over css styling etc.

Regards,
Steve.


Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Walter Lee Davis
 

I've build similar contraptions in Freeway in the past, and one of the tricks I have used in order to ensure a predictable "pot of images" that my scripts can access blindly is to simply make a separate Freeway document that publishes into my /images folder. That document is not commingled with the rest of the site, all it does is publish those images. So my script looks in /images/Resources and there's only the one folder ever to worry about.

Walter

On Nov 14, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Steve <steve@sbdesign.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 03:22 PM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
The link isn’t always the same. Freeway doesn’t guarantee that resources for pages that are in a subfolder will always be in subfolder/Resources (when Separate Resource Folders is selected). For example, if the same (output) resource is used by pages in different folders, Freeway will copy it into one of the resource folders and will always access it from there. Which folder is used depends on various factors - mainly which page is published first.
Hi Jeremy,

I take your point that if an image is used in more than one place and if it exactly the same size etc, then Freeway would only link to one instance of that image.

My use is a bit more specific; the site I maintain has a lot of jpegs (1,149 and counting) that are used to illustrate the products available on the website. These are served to the page that the customer selects by mysql and php, each of the images has to be a specific size to fit into the image space on the web page. For that end I created a specific folder (images) with a page for each product range (17pages at the moment) to contain all their images. In this case all the images get placed in the images > Resources folder and can be linked to easily with mysql/php.

I probably stretched the boundaries of what Freeway can do, but with a little bit of planning it's surprising what you can achieve. I hope the same will go for Xway.

My hope is that in time Xway will allow me to rebuild the site in a similar way to how it is now, but with better control over the responsive nature of the site, and more control over css styling etc.

Regards,
Steve.




Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Steve
 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 03:22 PM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
The link isn’t always the same. Freeway doesn’t guarantee that resources for pages that are in a subfolder will always be in subfolder/Resources (when Separate Resource Folders is selected). For example, if the same (output) resource is used by pages in different folders, Freeway will copy it into one of the resource folders and will always access it from there. Which folder is used depends on various factors - mainly which page is published first.
Hi Jeremy,

I take your point that if an image is used in more than one place and if it exactly the same size etc, then Freeway would only link to one instance of that image.

My use is a bit more specific; the site I maintain has a lot of jpegs (1,149 and counting) that are used to illustrate the products available on the website. These are served to the page that the customer selects by mysql and php, each of the images has to be a specific size to fit into the image space on the web page. For that end I created a specific folder (images) with a page for each product range (17pages at the moment) to contain all their images. In this case all the images get placed in the images > Resources folder and can be linked to easily with mysql/php.

I probably stretched the boundaries of what Freeway can do, but with a little bit of planning it's surprising what you can achieve. I hope the same will go for Xway.

My hope is that in time Xway will allow me to rebuild the site in a similar way to how it is now, but with better control over the responsive nature of the site, and more control over css styling etc.

Regards,
Steve.




Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Steve,

For example, in Freeway I have an images folder which has all the products images, grouped by product range on separate html pages. I link to those images in that folder with mysql/php on the product range pages. This makes it easy to see what has been uploaded and the link to the folder is always the same.
The link isn’t always the same. Freeway doesn’t guarantee that resources for pages that are in a subfolder will always be in subfolder/Resources (when Separate Resource Folders is selected). For example, if the same (output) resource is used by pages in different folders, Freeway will copy it into one of the resource folders and will always access it from there. Which folder is used depends on various factors - mainly which page is published first.

Will it be possible in the future to have separate resources folders for web pages that are in their own folder in Xway.
It might be possible, but we may also want to find a better way of doing this (e.g. allow users to define their own resource folders and specify which resources are in which folder).

Keep up the good work, Xway is promising to be a worthy successor to Freeway.
Thanks!

Jeremy


Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Steve
 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:30 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
Currently, output resources all go into “resources"
Hi Jeremy,

I've noticed that whilst playing with the beta, that "All" resources go into one resource folder even if you have a web page that is in a separate folder in the Site Folder.
In Freeway you can have a folder structure so the pics etc. used on the web pages, go into their own resources folder.

For example, in Freeway I have an images folder which has all the products images, grouped by product range on separate html pages. I link to those images in that folder with mysql/php on the product range pages. This makes it easy to see what has been uploaded and the link to the folder is always the same. 

The structure is like this in Freeway:  Site Folder > images folder > pages of images to size.
On the web server:  Website > images folder > Resources folder

Will it be possible in the future to have separate resources folders for web pages that are in their own folder in Xway.

Keep up the good work, Xway is promising to be a worthy successor to Freeway.

Steve.


Re: Box types

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Did you work with Keith Martin?

Jeremy


Re: Box types

Geoff Mullett
 

OK, thanks.
The reason I used Freeway in the 90s was to teach graphic design students, familiar with QuarkXpress, how to build web sites on the same DTP principles. I feel I need to g o back to college myself now!
Geoff

On 14 Nov 2019, at 12:22, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@softpress.com> wrote:

Hi Geoff,

I forgot that it can also link HTML boxes. The problem is that it doesn’t really flow text on output. It just chops it off in one box and starts again in another. That’s OK if you’re careful to make sure that the text breaks at the end of a paragraph (and not in the middle), but it’s not something that you couldn’t do manually.

The reason that this feature exists in Freeway is because Freeway was developed from a DTP program (UniQorn). We had an internal discussion right at the start of Freeway development about whether we should drop the flow tool, and I was one of the people who argued that we shouldn’t drop it, although I later came to think that I was wrong: it was buggy (we kept having to fix it) and it doesn’t work well with HTML boxes.

However, HTML/CSS now has support for columns in which text flows from one column to another. So it’s possible that we will support that in a future version of Xway.

Jeremy



On 14 Nov 2019, at 12:04, Geoff Mullett <geoff10a@gmail.com> wrote:

Running text through several HTML boxes. I used the Flow tool in Freeway

Geoff


On 14 Nov 2019, at 11:27, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@softpress.com> wrote:

Also, does Xway have a linking tool for boxes of text?
Like flowing text between graphic boxes in Freeway? Or something else?

Jeremy


Re: Box types

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

I forgot that it can also link HTML boxes. The problem is that it doesn’t really flow text on output. It just chops it off in one box and starts again in another. That’s OK if you’re careful to make sure that the text breaks at the end of a paragraph (and not in the middle), but it’s not something that you couldn’t do manually.

The reason that this feature exists in Freeway is because Freeway was developed from a DTP program (UniQorn). We had an internal discussion right at the start of Freeway development about whether we should drop the flow tool, and I was one of the people who argued that we shouldn’t drop it, although I later came to think that I was wrong: it was buggy (we kept having to fix it) and it doesn’t work well with HTML boxes.

However, HTML/CSS now has support for columns in which text flows from one column to another. So it’s possible that we will support that in a future version of Xway.

Jeremy

On 14 Nov 2019, at 12:04, Geoff Mullett <geoff10a@gmail.com> wrote:

Running text through several HTML boxes. I used the Flow tool in Freeway

Geoff


On 14 Nov 2019, at 11:27, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@softpress.com> wrote:

Also, does Xway have a linking tool for boxes of text?
Like flowing text between graphic boxes in Freeway? Or something else?

Jeremy


Re: Box types

Geoff Mullett
 

Running text through several HTML boxes. I used the Flow tool in Freeway

Geoff


On 14 Nov 2019, at 11:27, Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:

Also, does Xway have a linking tool for boxes of text?

Like flowing text between graphic boxes in Freeway? Or something else?

Jeremy


Re: Box types

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff

Xway has various box ‘types’ – Article, Navigation, aside etc. Do they have different attributes, or is it so a standard style can be given to each, if required?
These are semantic elements that were introduced with HTML5. They improve accessibility, and the recommendation is to use them in preference to plain divs as much as possible. There is some discussion in the Xway User Guide, which is based on w3c documentation.

For an analogy, you could think about when you would use <em> as opposed to <span>. Both can be styled to look the same, but <em> (Emphasized in Xway) tells you that text is to be read with emphasis (it is usually italicised), so it’s helpful for screen readers.

[Semantic types also exist in Freeway, but they’re somewhat hidden away.]

Also, does Xway have a linking tool for boxes of text?
Like flowing text between graphic boxes in Freeway? Or something else?

Jeremy


Box types

Geoff Mullett
 

Xway has various box ‘types’ – Article, Navigation, aside etc. Do they have different attributes, or is it so a standard style can be given to each, if required?

Also, does Xway have a linking tool for boxes of text?


Thanks

Geoff


Re: Xway UI approach ...

James Wages
 

LOL.  That URL is dead too!


Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

max.izzat@...
 

Hi Jeremy yep I had already seen that.. always nice to see thats automatic now

max


Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Max,

I have in the past changed Resources to lowercase resources
Xway uses lowercase “resources”

Jeremy


Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Paul,

Thanks for this - I’ve logged it as a suggestion.

Currently, output resources all go into “resources"

Jeremy

On 14 Nov 2019, at 09:19, Paul Dunning <pauld@ebert.co.uk> wrote:

HI,
One thing I have come across in the past has been that the structure of the website has to follow certain standards - design agencies may do this, or even some clients. A typical example would be:
• images in a folder names “/images”
• scripts in a folder names “/scripts”
etc.

Right now, we can”t do this in Freeway, but would would be great of XWay could allow us to specify what happens to files. Do they all go in Resources, do they get shunted into specially named folders? Renaming Resources to something else too.

All the best,
Paul Dunning
web design - http://www.pauldunning.com
freeway actions - http://www.actionsworld.com




Re: Managing XWay’s generated files

max.izzat@...
 

Yep that would be nice

in Freeway, you can make the folders up eg scripts images and you can with the help of actions create the script files and have them in those folders but anything freeway makes eg its own js file gets lobbed into Resources

I have in the past changed Resources to lowercase resources via the creating a folder name within the site panel and using lowercase and I think Tim had an action that actually changed the resource folder name completly and I am assuming all the references associated with the Resources folder, but it would be much nicer if Freeway/Xways could do What Paul is suggesting

max


Managing XWay’s generated files

Paul Dunning
 

HI,
One thing I have come across in the past has been that the structure of the website has to follow certain standards - design agencies may do this, or even some clients. A typical example would be:
• images in a folder names “/images”
• scripts in a folder names “/scripts”
etc.

Right now, we can”t do this in Freeway, but would would be great of XWay could allow us to specify what happens to files. Do they all go in Resources, do they get shunted into specially named folders? Renaming Resources to something else too.

All the best,

Paul Dunning

web design - http://www.pauldunning.com

freeway actions - http://www.actionsworld.com





Re: Managing other files

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Paul,

wondering if XWay will take a bunch of files & folders (in an unknown structure) and add it to the files management. I’ve got a load of Actions that do tricks like this - and quite frankly they need to not be there. Stuff like PHP files, includes created by other apps (thinking about stuff like Hype).

Right now, it’s Actions and (in some cases to preserve folder structure) creating folders in the site pane.
This is something that we’re thinking about. E.g. add a folder to the Site panel and put anything you like into it.

Jeremy


Re: Xway b1 - idea: CSS blank canvas or CSS paint by numbers

Jeremy Hughes
 

Strictly speaking, a multiplication symbol (✖️) is different from an "X" - but if you want some other ways to pronounce "X" there is also "Trans" as in Xfer and Xmit.

Does anyone have an XS phone?

Do you say "Ten-Ess" (official pronunciation) or "Excess" (common pronunciation)?

(I gave away my pronunciation by unthinkingly writing "an XS phone" instead of "a XS phone")

Jeremy


Managing other files

Paul Dunning
 

Hi,
wondering if XWay will take a bunch of files & folders (in an unknown structure) and add it to the files management. I’ve got a load of Actions that do tricks like this - and quite frankly they need to not be there. Stuff like PHP files, includes created by other apps (thinking about stuff like Hype).

Right now, it’s Actions and (in some cases to preserve folder structure) creating folders in the site pane.

All the best,

Paul Dunning

web design - http://www.pauldunning.com

freeway actions - http://www.actionsworld.com




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