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creating a basic column layout

@HeatherKay
 

Hello everyone! It's been a very long time since I raised my head above the parapet, and haven't things changed!

I've had a complete change of career, no longer dealing with design much at all. Nearly a decade ago, amid the financial crash and all that stuff, freelance work ran out. Thrashing around for anything I could do to earn a bit of cash, a hobby got turned into a business. I now build scale model railway stuff for commissioned work. While I'll never be rich, I have some great clients, and have worked on some interesting projects. 

Now, obviously, I created my web site using Freeway. I still manage to maintain it with small updates, and it does me well enough. I am aware that the web world has moved on, quite a long way, and I'm being left in the weeds. Freeway is going to go away eventually, and so I've started to try and come to terms with Xway, purely as an amateur and hobbyist web designer. On the whole, I like it, but...

It ain't Freeway. I'm having to learn new things that my old brain can't quite grasp, and it's frustrating and annoying and ... I wish I was ten years younger!

Anyway, I am trying to recreate my current Freeway web site in Xway. I realise it can't be recreated exactly, and I am happy to redesign accordingly, but I like the way my current site looks and I want to try to match it if I can. You can have a look at the site here: http://www.heatherkay.co.uk

It's a fairly simple multi-column layout, made with inflow boxes. In the old skool Freeway method draw an HTML box, click to get the text insertion bar, and insert two more HTML boxes in the text flow. They can then be made to float left and right, with margins to keep them spaced nicely. How do I do that in Xway? It should be simple, right?

I've tried, but I simply can't get the right hand box to float alongside the left hand box. It insists on floating to the right, but below the left box - the next "line" down, if you like. I've tried everything I can think of that doesn't involve getting the spanners out and hand-coding to get the darned right hand box to float alongside its friend. Nothing works. Any ideas?

(I even actively considered hand-coding the page at one point. I know. I don't DO code! That's why I was a Freeway user. But it's a measure of how frustrated I was getting!)

Anyway, if there is a way to do what I want, please let me know in plain language. If it's not currently possible with Xway in an idiot-proof way, then I will have to accept the site redesign will need reconsidering more fully.

Cheers

Heather


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Harold,

You should be able to import content from any website in this way. I added an appendix to the Xway User Guide which has some more information.

In future, we're planning to add a way to import content from Freeway documents, and we're also interested in adding a way to import HTML content later on (it's on our radar).

But there are some other things that we need to do first.

Jeremy


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Harold Appel
 

Jeremy, I became a refugee from Freeway when it seemed it was gone forever and subsequently re-created my sites using Rapidweaver. Besides that application being a drain on my bank account, I find it awkward and difficult to use and now a new version of Foundation requires learning it all over again. After using the Xway tutorial I find it so much more pleasant to use and look forward to transitioning back. I understand your suggestion about recreating the site in X-way using what's in a browser window of the old site would be the same for any site, no matter how it was created, right? I might go ahead and try that. I wonder, though,if there are there any plans for importing a site's files directly, say, by downloading them from the server (I think some use an application called sitesucker for this) and then importing into X-way? Thanks for all the work and care that is going into this application.
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Xway b4

Jeremy Hughes
 

We have just released Xway b4, the latest version of our next-generation program for visual web design.

You can download it from our web site: https://www.softpress.com/xway/

Xway includes a detailed reference manual, which you can access by choosing “Xway User Guide” from the Help menu. This also includes an appendix with a list of new features and cross-references to documentation in the user guide — this is a good place to start if you're upgrading from a previous beta version. If you're new to Xway, a good place to start is the introduction to the user guide, and the Xway tutorial (see below).

There is also a step-by-step tutorial and two sample documents (created from the tutorial). These are available from our website: click on “Xway Resources” in the Help menu. We revised the tutorial and sample documents for b4.

New features

  • Dynamic styles (for rollover effects)
  • Links can be applied to container boxes
  • Links that are applied to boxes are copied/moved with their boxes
  • You can insert a line break by typing Control-Return or by choosing Line Break from the Insert menu
  • You can insert a non-breaking space by typing Option-Space or by choosing Non-Breaking Space from the Insert menu
  • Subscripts and superscripts
  • Previews are drawn for component boxes
  • It is easier to locate missing resources
  • Iframe boxes that contain YouTube and Vimeo videos can be adjusted to fit their content
  • Display size can be set for markup and component boxes
  • Keyboard shortcuts for switching between the Page view, Web view, and HTML view
  • The Link Inspector displays a Content section for resource links
  • The Box Inspector displays a Content section for markup files
  • The Text menu has been replaced by a Format menu (containing the same items)
  • The Page and Item menus have been removed, and items that were previously in the Page menu have been redistributed
  • Pages in the Site panel default to being closed when a document is opened, except for the current page
  • Home/End (fn← / fn→) scroll to the top/bottom of the page
  • Xway runs natively on Intel or Apple Silicon

Bug fixes and improvements, including:

  • Fixed a problem that caused images to be missing in the Web view if a page is in a subfolder
  • Fixed undo problems affecting markup text views
  • Fixed a problem that caused some outputID values to be wrongly substituted in component CSS files
  • General improvements to YouTube video previews
  • YouTube video previews display an error message if the video cannot be embedded
  • The toolbar appearance has been improved for Big Sur


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Regarding sharing the document, should I send everything, videos, JPEGs etc? I can use WeTransfer again.
Yes - that would be great!


Re: The publishing process

Geoff Mullett
 

having said 'short', I've realised a couple are around 350mb, though most are well below 100mb. I use FileZilla and Fetch to upload, however, the upload takes little time, it's Xway's 'publish' that holds things up. It's often accompanied by the 'application not responding' message.
Some of the larger videos are on Youtube and maybe that's the answer in the short term. 11 minutes to publish a line of text seems excessive, but if that's being looked at for the future, then I'm happy to wait.
Regarding sharing the document, should I send everything, videos, JPEGs etc? I can use WeTransfer again.
Geoff


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Following up again: how "short" are the short videos, and what is a typical file size?

Also: if you don't mind sharing your document with us, I'd be interested in taking a look. The document that you sent recently was quite helpful in stress-testing Xway :)

Jeremy


Re: The publishing process

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Publishing just the changes is on our list of things to do.

What FTP program are you using? I haven't had any problems using Cyberduck to upload from my Site folder.

If I had a site with many videos, I would consider two options:

1. Inserting them as YouTube videos if you don't mind putting them on YouTube
2. Uploading them separately to a "videos" folder in your online Site folder

If you take the second option, you can link to the online videos from within Xway (treating them as external resources). The Resources view allows you to replace local resources (including videos) with external resources, by entering a URL (e.g. https://yourdomain.com/videos/somevideo.mp4). 

Jeremy


The publishing process

Geoff Mullett
 

I have a site that is quite heavy with short videos and photos. The process involved to get the updated pages from Xway to my website involves:
  • Publishing
  • Showing the site folder (within Xway)
  • Moving changed contents to a folder I call 'site for upload' as my FTP programme can't see the Xway folder
  • Selecting the updated pages and associated media in the FTP and uploading
The publishing process alone takes typically 11 minutes, so the whole business is slow and long-winded. I appreciate that eventually it will be possible to upload from within Xway, but in the meantime, is there a way of speeding up the process? If Xway just 'published' the changes rather than the whole site it would help.
Thanks
Geoff


Re: Overlapping of Items

Jeremy Hughes
 

There are two ways to control the front-to-back order of items (in Xway and HTML/CSS):

  1. Items that are earlier in the flow order are normally further back than items that are later in the flow order. If you have two inflow boxes, the first box will be behind the second box if they overlap and don't have a z-index. You can drag inflow boxes to reorder them on the page.
  2. You can set a z-index value (search for z-index in the User Guide).

Back-to-front order is mostly relevant to absolute-positioned items ("layers" in Freeway). However, you should be careful about using absolute-positioned items. It is tempting to use them when converting a (Freeway) table-layout design to an (Xway/Freeway) CSS design, but they are not a good replacement. Table layouts have been deprecated for many years, but they have the advantage of being vertically flexible. If someone views a table layout with a larger font size, boxes (table cells) will have their size and position adjusted so that they don't overrun each other. That doesn't happen with absolute-positioned boxes: absolute boxes are positioned independently of other (non-ancestor) items and it is very easy to end up with a design that only works if other people are using the same font and screen size. This is why Xway defaults to relative-positioned boxes, which are more suitable for flexible layout.

There are places where absolute boxes may be used appropriately (and sparingly), but it's a good idea to test them with different screen/font sizes. They're not used in the Xway tutorial.

Jeremy


Overlapping of Items

Ralph Bergman
 

Is there the equivalent of “bring to front” or “Send to Back” or “Bring Forward” or “Send Backwards” of items placed on the page?


Re: Forum hacked?

ThatKeith
 



I would be so happy to see it back as a true forum.
Freewaytalk was always a mailing list as well as a forum.

k


Re: Forum hacked?

erbril@cameleonpaint.com
 

I do so much agree. I don’t visit the mis forum list. Don’t get it. 
I would be so happy to see it back as a true forum. 
Eugénie 


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Op 7 apr. 2021 om 22:17 heeft Richard Cacciato via groups.io <rcacciato@...> het volgende geschreven:

I’d like to chime in here. 

I don’t like the Xway forum platform. I find it difficult to use and not intuitive. Is there any way to add this discussion to the same platform freewaytalk is on? I just find that much easier plus see an advantage in having everything in the same place. 

My two cents. 

Thanks. 

Richard. 


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On Apr 7, 2021, at 3:47 PM, grantsymon <xwayToo@...> wrote:

Hey Walter, nice to hear from you. 😊

I just got it with the From: header set to xwayToo
Uuuuhhh... this seems like a reallly bad idea.  Shouldn't emails be sent out from an anonymous 'no-reply' address??

For me, it doesn't matter, because as I described, every company/web thingy that I deal with, gets a unique email address.  However, "waltd@..." just came through.


Re: Forum hacked?

grantsymon
 

There is a commercial alternative (Discourse) that Apple use for Swift language forums (this does seem to hide email addresses).

It looks pretty good.

I couldn't find out if it does indeed hide email addresses, but aside from that, it's free if you install it on your own server.

Good news! Discourse is, and will always be, 100% free and open source software. You may also want to self-host for reasons other than budget, including privacy or full control over the free software that you've installed. Here's how you can install it yourself on your own server. 


Re: Forum hacked?

Jeremy Hughes
 

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 08:42 PM, grantsymon wrote:
Uuuuhhh... this seems like a reallly bad idea.  Shouldn't emails be sent out from an anonymous 'no-reply' address??
I don't think iogroups is different from FreewayTalk in this respect. Walter and Simon might be able to comment in more detail.

We went with iogroups because it is free and was already being used for Mac programming discussions. There is a commercial alternative (Discourse) that Apple use for Swift language forums (this does seem to hide email addresses).

Jeremy


Re: Forum hacked?

Jeremy Hughes
 

We're trying to move away from Freeway Talk because it has become unreliable. Some Freeway Talk messages never appear online, although they might be delivered as emails. Freeway Talk messages also tend to be (wrongly) identified as spam - I regularly have to check my gmail spam folder.

Jeremy


Re: Tutorial - insert twitter, linkedin, etc. page 15

Ralph Bergman
 

Thank you for that impressively fast response.


On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Hughes <jeremy@...> wrote:
That's done with a default style on the "footer" item. See the first paragraph of the Template footer section (page 14): "Let’s go to the footer. What we want to do here is to add some social media icons and a copyright notice. We’d also like everything in this box to be centered. Select it in the Site panel, then go to the Box Inspector and choose center alignment in the Default Styles section (as we did previously)."

Jeremy



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Re: Tutorial - insert twitter, linkedin, etc. page 15

Jeremy Hughes
 

That's done with a default style on the "footer" item. See the first paragraph of the Template footer section (page 14): "Let’s go to the footer. What we want to do here is to add some social media icons and a copyright notice. We’d also like everything in this box to be centered. Select it in the Site panel, then go to the Box Inspector and choose center alignment in the Default Styles section (as we did previously)."

Jeremy


Re: Forum hacked?

Richard Cacciato
 

I’d like to chime in here. 

I don’t like the Xway forum platform. I find it difficult to use and not intuitive. Is there any way to add this discussion to the same platform freewaytalk is on? I just find that much easier plus see an advantage in having everything in the same place. 

My two cents. 

Thanks. 

Richard. 


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On Apr 7, 2021, at 3:47 PM, grantsymon <xwayToo@...> wrote:

Hey Walter, nice to hear from you. 😊

I just got it with the From: header set to xwayToo
Uuuuhhh... this seems like a reallly bad idea.  Shouldn't emails be sent out from an anonymous 'no-reply' address??

For me, it doesn't matter, because as I described, every company/web thingy that I deal with, gets a unique email address.  However, "waltd@..." just came through.


Re: Forum hacked?

grantsymon
 

Hey Walter, nice to hear from you. 😊

I just got it with the From: header set to xwayToo
Uuuuhhh... this seems like a reallly bad idea.  Shouldn't emails be sent out from an anonymous 'no-reply' address??

For me, it doesn't matter, because as I described, every company/web thingy that I deal with, gets a unique email address.  However, "waltd@..." just came through.

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