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Re: Missing component

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

Revert To is a bit different from Time Machine. Time Machine restores a file, while Revert To reverts to a previous version of a document. It's a Mac function (rather than an Xway-specific function) and it works the same way in all modern (document-based) applications. The OS keeps a new version whenever you choose Save from the File menu. If you choose the "wrong" version in Revert To, you should be able to go back and choose a different version. If you Save before reverting, you should be able to choose the version you were using before you reverted. (It might be worth experimenting to confirm that this is what happens.)

Jeremy


Re: Missing component

Geoff Mullett
 

Hi Jeremy.
Quitting and restarting Xway restored everything – very strange, just like my copy & paste problem (message 763) when a restart cleared that problem.
This has thrown up another question on reverting to earlier versions, which I did in the hope of resolving this issue. Revert To > Browse all Versions...  brings up a display similar to that of Time Machine. The latter, when restoring an earlier version gives the opportunity to replace the current version or to keep both, which is invaluable if you aren't sure the version you are restoring is the correct one. Xway doesn't appear to offer that, meaning that by choosing Restore you are burning your bridges, unless a copy is made first.
Thanks for your continuing help!
Geoff


Re: Missing component

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

I haven't seen that happen. Can you send us the document to look at, maybe via Dropbox?

(support at softpress dot com)

It might also be worth quitting and restarting Xway, in case the Web view (or Apple's WebKit) has got confused somehow - if everything displays OK when you preview in a browser, this suggests the problem might be with the Web view / WebKit rather than the published output.

Jeremy


Missing component

Geoff Mullett
 

Having opened an xway document after several days of not working on it, all the Exhibeo components seem to be missing when I select Web View Preview. However, If I select File > Preview everything is in place. I've tried reconnecting/replacing the component, but it makes no difference.
Also, in Web View Preview, not only are the component images showing question/missing marks, the page shows elements from another page that doesn't exist on on this working page. 
I created a new document and added the same components and they preview OK, so I've stopped work on my site for now – just in case!
Geoff


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Jeremy Hughes
 

I've sometimes had problems copying from Freeway to Xway and other programs. I think this is because Freeway uses old (Carbon) pasteboard APIs.

An alternative approach is to preview from Freeway to a browser, and then copy from the browser to Xway.

Jeremy


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Geoff Mullett
 

The text I was importing was from an existing Freeway document, where one can see the very useful 'invisibles', so certainly a paragraph block.
However – a required switch-off of my computer meant I had to quit xway (something I hadn't done for at least 5 days). When I reopened the file, everything had gone back to normal. I've been working the site for a couple of days now without any reoccurrence of the formatting problem. Perhaps a gremlin somewhere.
Regards
Geoff


Re: Opening an Xway file

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Alan,

The next version of Xway (b4) defaults to having items in the Site panel open in a closed state, except for the current page.

Remembering the actual state is something we may look at in future (we have it logged as an issue) but it's not straightforward: the state is different for each document, so it would probably need to be saved as part of the document. On the other hand, it's not an actual editing change, so we probably don't want to resave the document every time the Site panel changes.

You can use the following workaround when opening a document in b3:

1. Option-click on the Site folder (this will close everything)
2. Click on the Site folder (this will open the top level)
3. Option-click on the current page (this will reopen everything in the current page)

Jeremy


Opening an Xway file

Alan Coomber
 

Hi!
A minor annoyance!  When I open an Xway file all the folders in the site panel are fully expanded so my first job is to collapse most of them so that I can see where I need to be working.  Is it possible to have them appear as they were when the file was last saved and closed?
Many thanks
Alan


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Jeremy Hughes
 

Hi Geoff,

I wonder if the text you've pasted is actually divided into paragraphs.

If you click three times (to select a paragraph), does that match what you think is a paragraph?

Can you post a link to the site that you're copying from?

Jeremy


Re: Import a Freeway web site into Xway

Geoff Mullett
 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 05:07 PM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
Hi Jeremy. In your  reply regarding importing Freeway to Xway, you say you can import text by copying and pasting it. I'm trying to recreate an existing Freeway site in Xway and I would prefer to copy the blocks of text rather than re-type it all. Is there some hidden formatting that is preventing me changing the alignment of paragraphs within the same box? When I paste, all the text aligns left, but when I select one line to be centred, all the paragraphs move. If I select a line and change the paragraph type to a heading, again all the paragraphs change to the same heading.
When I've been creating other sites from scratch and typing in new text, everything works fine. I've spent many hours looking at this and reading through the user guide and can't work out where the problem lies.
Thanks
Geoff


Re: Text handling

Jeremy Hughes
 

I'd also like non-breaking spaces to be supported
Actually, this should be supported already. Option-Space inserts a Unicode non-breaking space, and Xway outputs that.

Jeremy


Re: Video tutorials please

Per Olsson
 

Hi,
I did a simple web page for client some 10-15 years ago, and used Freeway for this. Since then, I´ve only done monthly small updates for the client. When I got to the point that I really needed to update to MacOS Catalina (and maybe Big Sur) I realised that I had to move on. I downloaded a free trial of Everweb and saw that I would have to relearn, and even with all their videos, some reading was important. So, I decided to stick with Xway and see if could get the hang of it. I did the Ambient web page by reading the tutorial for this, and got the important, basic stuff. I then used that start to make a new version of my existing page and I put a couple of days into this. A few glances at  the tutorial and the user guide got me through and I now have an existing new web site, waiting to be approved by my client and to be uploaded with Cyberduck to the web hotel. I did have a lot of tables (that I skipped and used a different method to display things) and also graphics with links to different sites that I couldn´t get to work but besides this I´m happy I took the effort in reading the simple tutorial. My web page is certainly simple, and I am sure many of you need much more out of the program, but I`m happy with it and will stick to Xway. I really look forward to Master pages, tables perhaps and a built-in upload function and of course, videos could an additional help for me and others. 

Cheers!

Med vänlig hälsning,

Per Olsson
Berguvsgatan 6, 234 32 Lomma



15 mars 2021 kl. 12:57 skrev Peter A-B <Wessex121@...>:

I teach people to drive. Throughout the teaching profession, whether in my job or classroom teaching, students learn differently. Some may have heard to the V.A.R.K. acronym.

V visual learning
A audio learning
R reading learning
K kinetic learning

You can mix and match or take each heading separately.  We all learn differently:
 one size definitely doesn’t fit all.



On 15 Mar 2021, at 11:38, ThatKeith via groups.io <Thatkeith@...> wrote:

The reference manual for looking up specifics should be the number 1 priority. (Not suggestion it isn't, just noting what's the most critically important.)

When it comes to video tutorials almost every single one takes FAR too long to get to the point. Even if they don't, it's usually a few minutes of something that I could have learned from 20 seconds of reading. Not always but usually.

I use a 360 tour building tool that has no reference manual or even near equivalent. Instead the company has put a lot of time and effort into creating loads of video 'tutorials'. These are, frankly, only one step shy of utterly useless. If they were teamed up with a regular reference manual they'd be fine, but on their own? I know for documented fact that this has and is causing them lost sales. If just one method is used for helping users use software it should NEVER be videos only.



Re: Video tutorials please

ThatKeith
 

I teach too. The whole 'learning styles' concept is something of an academic debate topic and has been for a while, but as with most arguments I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle: very few people are purely one style, but this is a 'thing' and we do all have our own preferences. In the end most of us benefit from a mix, and there's no substitute for learning by doing (once you're at a point where doing is practical).


Re: Video tutorials please

Peter A-B
 

I teach people to drive. Throughout the teaching profession, whether in my job or classroom teaching, students learn differently. Some may have heard to the V.A.R.K. acronym.

V visual learning
A audio learning
R reading learning
K kinetic learning

You can mix and match or take each heading separately.  We all learn differently:
 one size definitely doesn’t fit all.



On 15 Mar 2021, at 11:38, ThatKeith via groups.io <Thatkeith@...> wrote:

The reference manual for looking up specifics should be the number 1 priority. (Not suggestion it isn't, just noting what's the most critically important.)

When it comes to video tutorials almost every single one takes FAR too long to get to the point. Even if they don't, it's usually a few minutes of something that I could have learned from 20 seconds of reading. Not always but usually.

I use a 360 tour building tool that has no reference manual or even near equivalent. Instead the company has put a lot of time and effort into creating loads of video 'tutorials'. These are, frankly, only one step shy of utterly useless. If they were teamed up with a regular reference manual they'd be fine, but on their own? I know for documented fact that this has and is causing them lost sales. If just one method is used for helping users use software it should NEVER be videos only.


Re: Video tutorials please

ThatKeith
 

The reference manual for looking up specifics should be the number 1 priority. (Not suggestion it isn't, just noting what's the most critically important.)

When it comes to video tutorials almost every single one takes FAR too long to get to the point. Even if they don't, it's usually a few minutes of something that I could have learned from 20 seconds of reading. Not always but usually.

I use a 360 tour building tool that has no reference manual or even near equivalent. Instead the company has put a lot of time and effort into creating loads of video 'tutorials'. These are, frankly, only one step shy of utterly useless. If they were teamed up with a regular reference manual they'd be fine, but on their own? I know for documented fact that this has and is causing them lost sales. If just one method is used for helping users use software it should NEVER be videos only.


Re: Video tutorials please

Peter A-B
 

Videos don’t have to be expensive or time consuming to produce. Look at some of the YouTube videos online. 



From: xway-talk@softpress.groups.io <xway-talk@softpress.groups.io> on behalf of Torbjorn Hultmark via groups.io <thultmark@...>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 11:19:08 AM
To: xway-talk@softpress.groups.io <xway-talk@softpress.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [xway-talk] Video tutorials please
 
I agree 100%, simple tutorial videos please if at all possible! Videos for dummies like me.
Understood completely that resources are limited but, as someone here commented, videos do not need to be polished, or even in depth. Getting us started with the basics would in my view get a lot of people over that initial hurdle. The whole point of Freeway is that it is relatively easy and intuitive (I have still struggled a great deal!) so this is presumably what most of us here are looking for.


Re: Video tutorials please

Torbjorn Hultmark
 

I agree 100%, simple tutorial videos please if at all possible! Videos for dummies like me.
Understood completely that resources are limited but, as someone here commented, videos do not need to be polished, or even in depth. Getting us started with the basics would in my view get a lot of people over that initial hurdle. The whole point of Freeway is that it is relatively easy and intuitive (I have still struggled a great deal!) so this is presumably what most of us here are looking for.


Re: Video tutorials please

grantsymon
 

I hate tutorials full-stop!

Video are really annoying, because they're so slow to get to the point.  Written are annoying, because they're often arcane and poorly written.  Of course, we've learned to zap through video and to skim-read written, although often in the end... it would have been faster just to work through the process whilst only quietly muttering complaints to ourselves, under our breath.

My personal view of the XWay tutorial, is that following it step-by-step, is actually a very efficient way to learn the basics.  The only video tutorials I've ever just sat through without complaining (to myself) are from Affinity Photo.  They've put a lot of effort into them though and it shows.

I like the Mac's iWork UI, which XWay employs, especially that the depth can be hidden until needed.  Sort of the diametric opposite of the Microsoft approach, which visually, is sort of like trying to unravel linguini.  My wife has used for Word for 25 years and every time I look at it, I feel like I'm being punished.


Re: Video tutorials please

@Nick48
 

I am a visual designer and have come to the same conclusion as some other Freeway users concerning Xway (and its tutorials). Regrettably after trying to do a preliminary update in Xway for my sites, I have had to move to a more visual platform. The replacement program is not as extensive as the old Freeway, but when commercial pressures are involved you just need to get the job done.


Re: Video tutorials please

Jeremy Hughes
 

I think the long-term goal is that we'd like to have both.

Jeremy

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